I think the implication of the last panel is supposed to be that the apple seller can't stop everyone, but if this was really an accurate satire, he'd chop down every tree, sue everyone that picked the apples, and then go back to selling his giant flavorless GMO apples for $5 a piece
The hell of it is, some people would still be happy to buy his apples. Look, I ain't got time or health insurance to be fucking around climbing an apple tree, here's some cash, apples pls. But that's not good enough for the investors, who want guaranteed 5% growth every quarter, so now we've got to pour kerosene on the extra apples and force people to go hungry.
He would fence off the trees, and lobby his local government to require permits for picking apples, permits that have an issuing limit that somehow coincides with the number of apple stands he has. Picking apples without a permit would result in a fine of $10,000, or a year in jail.
Why does it matter if an apple is modified or not?
Modifying plants for better yields, less water usage, higher resistance to pests, better taste, and so on. Seems like a great idea in my mind.
Either way this comic is bad. It's stupidly easy to just plant an apple tree in your back/front yard, if you have one. Apples aren't that picky about where they want to be planted.
They should have gone for a better analogy if they are trying to say something.
Why does it matter if an apple is modified or not?
In general, I am not opposed to GMOs. All those benefits would be great. But in practice, companies aren't modifying the product to be better for the consumer, they're modifying it to sell better, and cost less to produce. That basically means bigger, and less diverse, which actually ends up making them less resistant to pests and disease
Originally I thought the joke was that after chopping down the one tree, eventually he had a shitload of trees grow (from the fallen apples), but guess not.
but if this was really an accurate satire, he'd chop down every tree, sue everyone that picked the apples, and then go back to selling his giant flavorless GMO apples for $5 a piece
Only if he couldn't figure out a way to rent apples to customers.
It's a metaphor about 13yo kid trying to understand why people pay money for anything when you can get stuff for free. The only thing a kiddo comes up with is that some people are bad and will chop trees down. Then they go to lemmy.ml and post dumb shit.
None. I just buy a big (>500ml) durable non-plastic water bottle once and use it until it stops being breaks or something. Why don't more people do this (genuine question, wondering if there are actual reasons)?
Hell yeah, this is the free gifts of nature in a nutshell.
[...] the “free gift of Nature to capital.” Capitalist exploitation and accumulation, as Marx explains, ultimately depend on capital’s usurping of nature’s gifts for itself, thereby monopolizing the means of production and wealth in its entirety
Probably better sources, but this is the first best one I found.
Close. Farming is labour, which is what gives economic value to the free gifts. The capitalists skim excess value from this process in the form of wage theft and other fuckery.
Better to think of natural capital and human labour being the two sources from which all value (in the sense of productivity) is ultimately derived. The soil is natural capital, the fertiliser is both (i.e. a mined and processed mineral resource), the rotation is human labour. Then the knowledge to reproduce this process in the correct manner is also critical.
The main question around this comic that makes it hard for me to derive a message is, who planted/cared for/owns the apple trees?
I’m reminded of a speech from Gus in Better Call Saul, where technically a tree from his homeland was wild, but he was the one that made the effort to water and care for it before a critter started stealing from it.
Right? It's obviously an orchard, not a forest, and obviously the apples are one of the popular commercial cultivars rather than some wild natural variant.
I think the implication of the last panel is supposed to be that the apple seller can't stop everyone, but if this was really an accurate satire, he'd chop down every tree, sue everyone that picked the apples, and then go back to selling his giant flavorless GMO apples for $5 a piece
The hell of it is, some people would still be happy to buy his apples. Look, I ain't got time or health insurance to be fucking around climbing an apple tree, here's some cash, apples pls. But that's not good enough for the investors, who want guaranteed 5% growth every quarter, so now we've got to pour kerosene on the extra apples and force people to go hungry.
You've read The Vines of Wrath.
It's The Grapes of Being A Bit Miffed actually
Much better than the sequel, The Apricots of Annoyance.
The porn Adaptation, Plums of Pleasure, is a banger though, pun intended.
Fun fact: A stable company may appear to be growing by ~3% a year if you don't account for inflation.
I guess that's a silver lining because then investors don't see a stable company as stagnating.
Congratulations, you just discovered nominal value.
Are you really trying to put forth the incredibly naive proposition that the stock market is not aware of inflation?
I... guess so?
He would fence off the trees, and lobby his local government to require permits for picking apples, permits that have an issuing limit that somehow coincides with the number of apple stands he has. Picking apples without a permit would result in a fine of $10,000, or a year in jail.
I bet the Once-ler wouldn't have that attitude.
MFer needs a super-axe-hacker. Then he could whack down four apple trees in one smacker.
If you haven't done so already I'd recommend listening to the scrapped movie song "biggering" which was cancelled because it scared illumination
Why does it matter if an apple is modified or not?
Modifying plants for better yields, less water usage, higher resistance to pests, better taste, and so on. Seems like a great idea in my mind.
Either way this comic is bad. It's stupidly easy to just plant an apple tree in your back/front yard, if you have one. Apples aren't that picky about where they want to be planted.
They should have gone for a better analogy if they are trying to say something.
In general, I am not opposed to GMOs. All those benefits would be great. But in practice, companies aren't modifying the product to be better for the consumer, they're modifying it to sell better, and cost less to produce. That basically means bigger, and less diverse, which actually ends up making them less resistant to pests and disease
the problem isn't gmo. the problem is the profit motivation that will invite disaster.
And staying "fresh" longer etc.
Originally I thought the joke was that after chopping down the one tree, eventually he had a shitload of trees grow (from the fallen apples), but guess not.
Only if he couldn't figure out a way to rent apples to customers.
Yeah, I see this comic and find myself wishing we lived in such a world.
I'm not 14 years old enough to get this
Selling digital goods in a nutshell, when things are infinitely reproducible, you'll never run out of trees.
I feel like this is a metaphor, I'm just not sure for what yet.
Bottled water?
What's the bottled-water equivalent of chopping down a single apple tree in a forest of apple trees though?
The apples represent feet pics. It's a tough market so the businessman only wants his feet pics to be sold in a sea of feet pics on the internet.
It's a metaphor about 13yo kid trying to understand why people pay money for anything when you can get stuff for free. The only thing a kiddo comes up with is that some people are bad and will chop trees down. Then they go to lemmy.ml and post dumb shit.
What are you talking about
He said "Not many people like me."
Left demagogy joke
they cant stop all of us
And how many bottles of water did you buy this week?
Why would a rivvvver need to buy water?
None. I just buy a big (>500ml) durable non-plastic water bottle once and use it until it stops being breaks or something. Why don't more people do this (genuine question, wondering if there are actual reasons)?
Actual reasons such as not having easy, free access to safe water refills? That's the case for a lot of people.
Perfectly reasonable to buy plastic water bottles in that situation. I hadn't thought of that.
im lucky enough to have potable tap water, so none
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_(valve)
Hell yeah, this is the free gifts of nature in a nutshell.
Probably better sources, but this is the first best one I found.
So... farming is a free gift from nature?
Close. Farming is labour, which is what gives economic value to the free gifts. The capitalists skim excess value from this process in the form of wage theft and other fuckery.
I'm simplifying, but yeah.
No, natural capital is - soil particularly.
This person is correct. Land and the natural process of nature are free gifts.
Better to think of natural capital and human labour being the two sources from which all value (in the sense of productivity) is ultimately derived. The soil is natural capital, the fertiliser is both (i.e. a mined and processed mineral resource), the rotation is human labour. Then the knowledge to reproduce this process in the correct manner is also critical.
The main question around this comic that makes it hard for me to derive a message is, who planted/cared for/owns the apple trees?
I’m reminded of a speech from Gus in Better Call Saul, where technically a tree from his homeland was wild, but he was the one that made the effort to water and care for it before a critter started stealing from it.
I wouldn't follow ethics in business advice from a meth dealer explaining why he killed a wild animal.
Right? It's obviously an orchard, not a forest, and obviously the apples are one of the popular commercial cultivars rather than some wild natural variant.
This comic makes so little sense it's underflowed back to funny for me.
I suppose he was already grumpy because he was the only one who'd forgot about Dress Like Homer Simpson Or Peter Griffin Day at the orchard.
My experience is that apple trees aren't that thick.
Your apple mom is though, heyoo
She sells sea shells down by the sea shore
But the value of these shells will fall