I've been running slackware as my main os since 94. I was never able to get really used to any other Linux distro and I saw them all. I run it in my home pc, in my work servers, my work notebook. Best distro ever.
In the late 90s I ditched redhats crappy package system and used slackware until I got better internet than dialup, after that I switched to Debian based. But slackware still has a star in my book!
Did the same. I pretty much had to redo every single step, sometimes multiple times, because I did not fully understand what I was doing. But I had a running system in the end with everything working as far as I could tell.
Then I immediately formatted everything and installed Endeavor, because I just didn't trust myself not having done anything wrong.
It did help with understanding though. Some things aren't as scary anymore and I understand the arch wiki much better now.
Guys, why are you constantly making fun of arch. It really is a straightforward, stable and user friendly distro. The wiki is amazing and it’s very easy to find help even when you run into problems.
In my 8 years of using Arch as daily driver, it has broken only couple of times for me, and usually I can find the fixes in the forums. Ubuntu on the other hand has lead to so much pain.
Arch takes a lot of manual configuration to make it work, hence providing some bragging rights about using it. Manjaro is a fork that has your typical GUI user-frienly installer that does everything for you, therefore you "proudly using arch" has no substance as you did zero work.
I wonder why I keep getting the advice to use Arch, then? Everyone on the Linux forum questions me using fedora and says arch makes more sense and is easier.
It's the latest craze among the DIY Linux crowd. Like what gentoo used to be. It has a very opinionated fanbase so they will advertise whenever they see an opening. Hence the "I use arch "btw meme
It's just weird that they specifically mentioned it was easier for beginners when it seems like it's the exact opposite from what I've personally experienced on SteamOS versus my laptop that runs Nobara.
Some of the Arch variants are very easy to use. E.g. Manaro and Garuda give you the ease that Fedora does but with the 'bragging rights' of Arch. Except like this meme is pointing out they aren't considered 'pure Arch' by many.
I've installed Arch manually before several times but I got fed up of the process and now use ArcoLinux on my latest laptop. It makes install easy and I know enough to fix any issues from past experience.
NB: Arch has been rock solid for a good 10yrs for me.
Because Manjaro isnt exactly as it seems. Sometimes it's the worst of both worlds. I wont deny that it is convenient but (Rant alert) :
The idea of delay Arch packages for testing seems nice at first, until you take in the fact Manjaro will have to push some of the packages out before that period for e.g: security reasons, while some might take longer. The thing is, upstream Arch repo is designed to work together only on the packages upstream version, and as per Archwiki said, partial upgrade is highly unrecommended, and it is not uncommon to update your manjarobox and everything went smoothly, until you reboot and fallen into a dependency hell. Sometimes it can cause serious security issues. And with that in mind, the AUR also works with the assumption that you are on Arch's upstream packages, not Manjaro one, and well, dont need to tell you how it can cause problems down the line.
If you want a good convenient no "nerd" fuss distros, I recommend Pop!OS, Mint, or even Debian. If you really want to use AUR (trust me it's not as special as most expect, you generally only want to go there when you must) and really don't wanna use Arch, there's projects like Antergos, Artix,... that have much more sane approach.
I acknowledge tho that I 100% believe Manjaro users can get perfectly stable experience, and these things I mentioned had never be inside their scope. It's just you can get very similar experience with better management even in Arch-derived space, so why not go for those instead?
If arch Linux is supposed to be edgy and hard to use or install, Manjaro takes that edgy hard to use image and softens it up into a Ubuntu type distro that is based on arch but tends to run behind on updates by a little bit compared to arch.
Basically they nerd version of Linux stolen valor.
What a vucking great social network this Lemmy is.
I clicked "subscribe" to your community or whatever the vuck it's called and for two weeks I've been looking at "Pending". Is this such a vucking fediverse achievement that I don't understand?
Now for the topic at hand. If you have to choose between Arch and Manjaro, you have to choose Arch. 100% none of you will need to thoroughly partition your hard drive, because none of you will bother moving /home to another partition on the drive. And the main difficulty will be setting up the wifi, solved by reading the man pages. Unfortunately they are without pictures, so you will have to work hard.
Manjaro has compromised itself so many times that I don't understand people who use it.
Although no, I do understand you, my little friends. Manjaro has a graphic installer.
I'm an impulsive updater. I see an update, I update. Arch was able to change my plans for the day on many occasions into shiiiit I need this to work again so I can do actual work. So I compromised and installed Manjaro for edge but with less bleeding. YEAH😎
You'd be surprised. If you update on impulse, there is a great risk that pacman will break your system. There are clever people who don't update Arch for half a year and then start upgrading it overnight. This is even worse, because the risk of your system dying from an accident increases many times over. Good thing I don't use Arch btw for work. Although no, Arch+dwm is on my old netbook, but I can't find it for a long time.
Laughs in Endeavour
I use Arch... On my Steamdeck
I game on Arch too
We're so elite!
I can honestly say that I ran Slackware as my daily driver for almost two years...
Never again.
Now I run easy distros. Much less stress overall.
Why? ...How?
I've been running slackware as my main os since 94. I was never able to get really used to any other Linux distro and I saw them all. I run it in my home pc, in my work servers, my work notebook. Best distro ever.
I see you're into BDSM.
In the late 90s I ditched redhats crappy package system and used slackware until I got better internet than dialup, after that I switched to Debian based. But slackware still has a star in my book!
I miss playing with Slack. It was the first distro I ever got Steam running.
I got my merit badge after setting it up once. That's enough for me.
Did the same. I pretty much had to redo every single step, sometimes multiple times, because I did not fully understand what I was doing. But I had a running system in the end with everything working as far as I could tell.
Then I immediately formatted everything and installed Endeavor, because I just didn't trust myself not having done anything wrong.
It did help with understanding though. Some things aren't as scary anymore and I understand the arch wiki much better now.
Guys, why are you constantly making fun of arch. It really is a straightforward, stable and user friendly distro. The wiki is amazing and it’s very easy to find help even when you run into problems.
Oh, I use arch btw.
I wouldn't really call it stable, more just stable enough
In my 8 years of using Arch as daily driver, it has broken only couple of times for me, and usually I can find the fixes in the forums. Ubuntu on the other hand has lead to so much pain.
🔦 Arch docker container running on Ubuntu. 🔦
Nah, that sounds like torture. Anybody willing to have that kind of setup shouldn't be messed with, they're clearly unstable.
Yeah, I don't know why I'd run Arch containers on Ubuntu. I can already get the latest software via Snap and Docker. 🫰
You are the monster we were warned as kids!
I upvoted this comment. Just letting you know, in case you weren't aware that votes are public on Lemmy.
Lmao I feel personally attacked
No pun intended
I feel attacked
No, I don't use 2 weeks late Arch. To me that just defeats the point.
I use Arch btw.
RIP Antergos
Long live EndeavourOS.
nah don't worry, Manjaro users will tell you they use Manjaro
Manjaro Users: I could never be bothered to follow the steps for installing on the arch wiki.
Manjaro Users When Something Breaks: Gotta go check the arch wiki & forums.
I never used Manjaro or Arch (I am a fedora user). Can someone please explain the joke?
Arch takes a lot of manual configuration to make it work, hence providing some bragging rights about using it. Manjaro is a fork that has your typical GUI user-frienly installer that does everything for you, therefore you "proudly using arch" has no substance as you did zero work.
I wonder why I keep getting the advice to use Arch, then? Everyone on the Linux forum questions me using fedora and says arch makes more sense and is easier.
It's the latest craze among the DIY Linux crowd. Like what gentoo used to be. It has a very opinionated fanbase so they will advertise whenever they see an opening. Hence the "I use arch "btw meme
Is it really the latest craze? Arch seems to be about as popular/controversial as it was when I first tried it in 2014.
Obligatory disclaimer: I still use Arch, btw :^)
So 2014 is around when I dropped off the whole linux hobbyist boards. Which is why it's "the latest" for me anyway
It's just weird that they specifically mentioned it was easier for beginners when it seems like it's the exact opposite from what I've personally experienced on SteamOS versus my laptop that runs Nobara.
Some of the Arch variants are very easy to use. E.g. Manaro and Garuda give you the ease that Fedora does but with the 'bragging rights' of Arch. Except like this meme is pointing out they aren't considered 'pure Arch' by many.
I've installed Arch manually before several times but I got fed up of the process and now use ArcoLinux on my latest laptop. It makes install easy and I know enough to fix any issues from past experience.
NB: Arch has been rock solid for a good 10yrs for me.
Because Manjaro isnt exactly as it seems. Sometimes it's the worst of both worlds. I wont deny that it is convenient but (Rant alert) : The idea of delay Arch packages for testing seems nice at first, until you take in the fact Manjaro will have to push some of the packages out before that period for e.g: security reasons, while some might take longer. The thing is, upstream Arch repo is designed to work together only on the packages upstream version, and as per Archwiki said, partial upgrade is highly unrecommended, and it is not uncommon to update your manjarobox and everything went smoothly, until you reboot and fallen into a dependency hell. Sometimes it can cause serious security issues. And with that in mind, the AUR also works with the assumption that you are on Arch's upstream packages, not Manjaro one, and well, dont need to tell you how it can cause problems down the line.
If you want a good convenient no "nerd" fuss distros, I recommend Pop!OS, Mint, or even Debian. If you really want to use AUR (trust me it's not as special as most expect, you generally only want to go there when you must) and really don't wanna use Arch, there's projects like Antergos, Artix,... that have much more sane approach.
I acknowledge tho that I 100% believe Manjaro users can get perfectly stable experience, and these things I mentioned had never be inside their scope. It's just you can get very similar experience with better management even in Arch-derived space, so why not go for those instead?
Manjaro is a fork of Arch with the aim to provide a good out-of-the-box experience.
Disgusting...
Yeah, what were they thinking?!
If arch Linux is supposed to be edgy and hard to use or install, Manjaro takes that edgy hard to use image and softens it up into a Ubuntu type distro that is based on arch but tends to run behind on updates by a little bit compared to arch.
Basically they nerd version of Linux stolen valor.
manjaro is based on arch
Manjaro is based period
I'm in this picture and I don't like it.
I recommend Evdeavouros instead of Manjaro ;)
I use Arch btw........in a distrobox inside ubuntu.
i use manjaro btw
I use Debian btw.
yep go ahead and neg this comment Arch people
You could do a better attention seeking job than this
Lol everyone knows nixos is the latest in disto high fashion
I use Fedora btw. It'll never go out of fashion, Cos it's never been in fashion
I use Arch, BTW, but also Gnome. So I am still lacking some nerd points.
It's not as bad as it used to be, i use arch btw.
Debian Etch - Debian Squeeze then OpenBSD 5.5 - current
i use archinstall btw....
Meanwhile me with OpenSuse Thumbleweed ...
Lights off: I use Arch BTW Lights on: I installed Arch using archinstall BTW
Who cares :/
Subtle way to call manjaro users gay
No love for Gentoo...
What a vucking great social network this Lemmy is.
I clicked "subscribe" to your community or whatever the vuck it's called and for two weeks I've been looking at "Pending". Is this such a vucking fediverse achievement that I don't understand?
Now for the topic at hand. If you have to choose between Arch and Manjaro, you have to choose Arch. 100% none of you will need to thoroughly partition your hard drive, because none of you will bother moving /home to another partition on the drive. And the main difficulty will be setting up the wifi, solved by reading the man pages. Unfortunately they are without pictures, so you will have to work hard.
Manjaro has compromised itself so many times that I don't understand people who use it.
Although no, I do understand you, my little friends. Manjaro has a graphic installer.
This post was in lemmy.world which is extremely overloaded at the moment
Its a known bug. Who knew reddit will fuck up? Give it some time, it'll be much better!
I heard that story somewhere. It took Reddit fifteen years to become comfortable using it. Are you ready to wait?
Repositories is literally on fire now! Huge updates every day.
I believe Lemmy (or any of its frontend) will become much more pleasurable to use than reddit, and its matter not of years, but a months.
I'm an impulsive updater. I see an update, I update. Arch was able to change my plans for the day on many occasions into shiiiit I need this to work again so I can do actual work. So I compromised and installed Manjaro for edge but with less bleeding. YEAH😎
You'd be surprised. If you update on impulse, there is a great risk that pacman will break your system. There are clever people who don't update Arch for half a year and then start upgrading it overnight. This is even worse, because the risk of your system dying from an accident increases many times over. Good thing I don't use Arch btw for work. Although no, Arch+dwm is on my old netbook, but I can't find it for a long time.
Damn, subscribing might've not worked but 52 people made sure that the downvote button did